Why Every Disney Fan MUST Visit The Walt Disney Family Museum

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If you love Disney theme parks, movies,
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or history, there's one place on earth
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that you can stand in the room with the
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actual origins of all of that magic.
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It's not in Burbank. It's not in
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Anaheim. It's in the presidio of San
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Francisco.
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Welcome to Daps Magic, Disney and
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positive stuff. I'm Mr. Daps and today
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we're going to discuss the Walt Disney
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Family Museum and why it is a pilgrimage
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site for every true Disney fan. And I
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think that means you and me. So, what
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makes the Walt Disney Family Museum so
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different? First off, it came out of the
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family. It isn't run by a corporate
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entity. It's not owned by the Walt
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Disney Company. It's a nonprofit
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organization that was founded by Walt's
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daughter, Diane Disney Miller, and the
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Disney family. It tells the deeply
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personal and human story of Walt Disney.
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This includes his triumphs, his
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failures, his family life, his artistic
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legacy,
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and it takes you on an emotional journey
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as you go through the different exhibits
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of this museum. Some of the best ones or
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biggest ones, I guess I should say,
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they're all best is subjective. Walt's
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early Awards, the multiplane camera, uh
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there's original concept models, and of
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course the 14 foot Disneyland model that
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you can just stand and stare at for
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hours. And those are the things that are
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always there. But there's also rotating
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artistry and exhibi exhibitions, excuse
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me, that come in and out of the Walt
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Disney Family Museum that provide extra
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insight and depth to the Walt Disney
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story. And it brings fans back over and
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over and over again to see the Disney
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history and the animation craftsmanship
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that has been such an integral part of
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the Disney story.
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Couple years ago, one of these, perhaps
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my favorite that I've seen up at the
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Walt Disney Family Museum so far, was
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offered for it was I think 6 months a
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year, something like that, but it was
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Walt Disney's The Jungle Book, making a
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masterpiece. And we were invited up
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Dap's Magic for a special preview
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opening ceremony of this event. And this
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was a exhibit that was curated by Disney
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legend Andreas Deja. And
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Andre Deéja, if you don't know, you
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never know, he's a legendary animator.
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He's behind iconic characters like
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Jafar, like Scar, Gaston, Hercules,
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Lilo, Mama Odie, and he was originally
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inspired to become an animator as a kid
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in Germany because of the Jungle Book.
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And so really his story and his career
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came full circle when he got to curate
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this exhibit. And it was such an
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exciting thing for me to get to sit
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there and talk with him about this
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exhibit, about his career, about his
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life, and learn a little bit about the
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connections and the human heart behind
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so many fantastic stories and characters
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of the Walt Disney Company. And then
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realize that
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this is one story of many. and the human
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connection and the human touch that
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makes up the stories of the Walt Disney
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Company as time goes on that have been
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highlighted by the Walt Disney Family
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Museum. So, in this interview, I got to
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really um
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I got to really get a a grasp for what
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it was like for Andre Deasjasia to be
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watching The Jungle Book as a kid and
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seeing it in English versus German and
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then clicking for how the uh the lip
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movements all sudden line up to the
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original voice actors and that's a big
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deal. and he talks about how the exhibit
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came together and worked with the um
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exhibit designer Marina at the museum to
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really make this special and work with
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the Disney family to make sure that it
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was it was done correctly. Um, he also
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has an incredible collection that has
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personal art from Frank Thomas and Olly
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Johnston and and he saved some of these
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treasures from disappearing and getting
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split up and ending in all these crazy
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places that who knows where they they
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might end up. And then uh they've also
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for this one and they've continued to do
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this, they've added a interactive
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element to the experiences of the Walt
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Disney Family Museum to really help
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people connect. and in this case be a
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part of the Jungle Book as they danced
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with Blue. And then finally, he talks a
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little bit about his short film Mushka
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and how Richard Sherman, the late great
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Richard Sherman, offered to write a
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lullaby theme for this, which is
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absolutely beautiful. And if you haven't
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heard it, look it up. You will love it.
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But now, watch my interview with
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Andreas.
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Thursday, June 23rd, Walt Disney's The
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Jungle Book, Making a Masterpiece,
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opened at the Walt Disney Family Museum.
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The night before, there was a special
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event that Dap's Magic was invited to
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that included a panel that was led by
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Andreas Deja. Andreas Deja got his
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career started because of the Jungle
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Book. He saw it as a kid and was so
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inspired by it that he realized that's
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what he wanted to do with his life.
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Years later, he would end up working at
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the Walt Disney Company, specifically
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the Walt Disney Animation Studios, where
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he was behind great characters like
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Jafar, like Hercules, like Gaston, like
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Scar, like Lilo, and Mama Odie, among
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many others, including work on Mickey
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Mouse throughout the course of his
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career. Now, he curated this beautiful
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exhibit at the Walt Disney Family Museum
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that we were able to get a look at along
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with a chat with Andreas Deja. This is
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this chat we hope you enjoy. Hi, I'm Mr.
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Daps and I'm here at the Walt Disney
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Family Museum where it has been an
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incredible night uh within a wonderful
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panel as we've heard about the Jungle
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Book and the beautiful exhibit that's
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been put together by Andreas Deja,
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Disney legend animator. We all just look
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up to you. Amazing. Thank you so much
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for having us here both of you and Walt
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Disney Family Museum. I love that your
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story starts with the Jungle Book in
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your Disney career, I guess you could
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say. Um, one of the things we keep we've
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heard multiple times is you see this,
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you fall in love with it. This is what I
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want to do with my life. What was it
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like the first time you saw it in
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English versus in German? And when was
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that?
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>> It was unusual. Um uh the first time I
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saw bits of the Jungle Book in its
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original version was uh I bought some
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super super eight films, you know,
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>> uh and they happened to be English and
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so I I I saw and heard
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>> Beiraa and Shirani speaking in English
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and I and I noticed that it it actually
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is a better fit because it's lip sync,
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you know, so the mouth movements
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actually match what the actors are
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saying,
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>> which is not the case in the dub
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version. I still like the dub version
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because the dialogue is really really
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good. But once you see it in in English,
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it just kind of clicks.
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>> Yeah, it totally makes sense. And that
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sets you on this this career path of of
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studying art coming to Disney and and
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now years later I feel like you're one
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of the experts on this film and and so
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you've created this exhibit here. Where
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did this start?
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It started with the idea which I had
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when we opened the exhibition on Mickey
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Mouse three years ago because there
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weren't many follow-up ideas. What what
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are we going to do after Mickey?
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>> There was one on Disney World War II
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which actually happened but that there
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wasn't much after that.
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>> So I talked to Marina the designer for
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for these shows and I said Marina
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>> how about the Jungle Book? this is
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Walt's last film and this is something
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to c celebrate, you know, and and and
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really uh do. And uh and she says,
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"That's my favorite." I said, "Well,
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it's my favorite, too.
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>> We should really let people know." So,
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so that that evening, it went through
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the whole place. And then the family
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found out about it, and it was it was
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approved the next day.
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>> That's awesome. It
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>> it was just amazing to hear. We are
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going to do The Jungle Book next.
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>> So, you made this decision. We're going
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to do The Jungle Book next. What happens
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next?
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Well, then you set up your usual uh Zoom
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sessions which is once a week with the
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museum. They they run any time from half
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an hour to two hours usually. And uh you
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really start off with ideas. How do you
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want to structure this? Are you going to
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feature the behind the scenes more or
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how you going to talk about the music
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and and all of that? And uh I thought I
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thought to give it some structure, why
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don't we follow the story? So you really
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walk into the uh the exhibition and you
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you see Beiraa finding Mowgli, but you
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also at the same time on on on the on
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the other side when when you enter are
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the original Jungle Book books by Roger
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Kipling. So you also find out about him
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>> about the the author but in general you
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follow the story line of the film. You
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meet all the characters in order but you
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also find out about who made them, who
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drew what, who painted what, who were
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the the voices and all of that. So
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that's sounds like a monumental task in
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itself, but then you also have all of
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these incredible and beautiful pieces of
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art at different levels of production
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throughout this this gallery. Um, first
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off, how many do you have personally
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like in your collection? I'm sure some
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of them are here. I know some of them
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are here, but how many do you have?
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>> I haven't counted them, but there are a
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lot. Uh I was just very lucky to be able
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to purchase the estate of Frank Thomas
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and Al Johnson and those was thousands
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and thousands of pieces and I paid it
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off over a period of 10 years cuz it was
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it was a huge amount of money
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>> but uh they didn't really want to have
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have uh this collection of art that that
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they kept sold here and sold there and
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sold. They wanted to keep it to
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together. So then I came in and made
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them an offer. So so the bulk of my
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collection is really what what Frank and
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Ollie had kept. Do you remember what
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your first piece from Jungle Book was?
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Like
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>> Interesting question. The very first
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piece um
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that must have I must have um bought
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something when I didn't have a lot of
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money cuz there were some there were
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there were some galleries in town in Los
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Angeles, the Howard Lowry Gallery for
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example. Um it might have been a sketch
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of the elephant on the the elephants
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probably.
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>> Okay.
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>> That's how I started.
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>> And was that because that was a favorite
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character or is that what it was
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available? it was available. You cannot
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just go out there and say, "Hey, I want
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to buy King Louis sequence so and so
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scene."
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>> Sure.
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>> It's just not there. You have to be
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patient. You have to
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>> watch eBay, you know, and uh and you
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have to just talk to people who might
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know some somebody who might know who
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who has this kind of stuff.
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>> And then so you have thousands of these
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pieces of beautiful art. How do you go
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from thousands to I'm assuming hundreds?
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>> I don't know about hundreds of
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thousands, but uh
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>> Well, I'm thinking for the exhibit.
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>> The exhibit. Well, uh, we I still have
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some stuff that we we couldn't show.
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There's just so much space, right? But,
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um, I I I think the essence of what I
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have from Jungle Book is pretty much
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there. We also got um uh some prints,
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some uh files of animation drawings. For
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example, I didn't have much of the
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Walter sequence. Okay. So, I knew there
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would be a void. So, we turned to the
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animation research library and they
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said, "No, we can send you some files.
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This is what we have scanned already."
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Uh, would you like to have some of
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these? And I said, "Yes, they're all
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good. You don't have to go back to work
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and scan more. This is good what you
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have." So, so we have those in the
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exhibit just to flesh out the visuals.
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>> Totally. Very cool. Um, could you also
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tell me what it's like working with the
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team here?
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>> I love working with the team. We're like
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a family, you know, uh, because the way
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these Zoom meetings start every Thursday
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usually, uh, we just talk about what's
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happening, what's going on. Is it is it
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is it hot up there? Well, no. No, but
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it's hot down here. you just make small
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talk and catch up with everybody and
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then then we eventually get to talk
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about Jungle and what needs to be done
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and how far we've come. So, it's just a
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really warm way of of working, you know,
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and um yeah, I've just had a had a ball
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working on my first exhibition was
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actually on Mark Davis and Mark Davis
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leading ladies. I think we called it fem
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fatal because Mark animated Kella,
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Cinderella, Alice, you know, and so that
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was a smaller exhibition in the main
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museum. Uh and then uh I of course did
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Mickey Mouse three years ago. That was
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that was a big one of course and then
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now Jungle Book. So uh it it just has
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become really comfortable working with
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the team because we all know each other.
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We can read each other you know. So it's
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been joyful all the way through
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>> and I feel like that's a theme
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especially with this movie that we heard
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about in the panel how much everybody
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working on the movie however many years
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ago we're such a family coming together
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for that. And then as I was just
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watching people around here tonight and
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watching you guys interact up here in
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front, um I loved seeing that almost
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replicated in a way as as we were
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hearing about this masterpiece that we
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all grew up loving and and seeing it
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celebrated here tonight. Um what are you
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most excited about in the exhibit? like
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is there certain
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>> I think some of the interactive stuff is
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is kind of interesting and uh I I you
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usually start out by saying I really
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don't want to have a wall and art and
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then another wall and art. It has to be
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interactive. You have to be immersed in
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the world of the Jungle Book, you know,
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not just showing pretty drawings, you
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know. So, um the interactive uh things
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that we came up with, uh I I think are
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really fun. We have this green screen
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thing which we need to tweak just a
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little bit to to make that work but
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where where guests can actually see
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themselves in the movie Dancing with
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Beloo that I don't think that's ever
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been been done before and also we have a
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voice over station where kids can
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>> there was a line there when I was there
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>> was uh where where people can pick a
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voice and then put their own voice their
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own acting onto that particular scene.
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So just fun stuff like that really are
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like sort of the icing on the on the
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cake for an exhibition like this.
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>> Absolutely. And do you have a favorite
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piece of art that's over there?
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>> I do. Um there's one uh there's a lot of
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beautiful color stuff on of course, but
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there's one little drawing. The drawing
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it's about this this this big and but
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it's on a big sheet of paper on a 16
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field sheet of paper. It's of uh it's a
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development sketch of Meira and Mogi
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asleep up up in a tree
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>> and you can just see the connect
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connection that they have. and there's
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asleep and movies lean leaning on the
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panther's back and it's just the
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sweetest it's almost like a telephone
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duel but it has everything in it. The
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personality has come through and
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sweetness, you know, and I just love
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that drawing.
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>> That's amazing. Um, as we're wrapping
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this up, you've had a fantastic career
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that continues on. You've got some new
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stuff coming out I'm looking forward to.
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But did you ever have that moment where
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you you just thought back to that first
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time you saw Jungle Book and you
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thought, I'm doing this now?
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the pinch me moment. Well, I'm still am
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I'm still pinching myself uh to this
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day. I mean uh I have this movie coming
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out. It's it's a half hour
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personal film that uh uh is just about
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done. You know, we're all in color now.
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We're just doing sound right now. Final
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sound.
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>> But the idea, and I don't know if you
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know this, that Richard Sherman, who
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wrote not all but most songs for The
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Jungle with with his brother Robert,
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also wrote the main musical theme for my
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film. How did that even happen? I mean,
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that that is absolutely crazy, you know.
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But he did it. Uh we had a um a thing
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for at an animation festival in in Los
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Angeles and and I actually asked for uh
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Richard if he would play some of his
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classic song for these kids, these
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students cuz you know they had never
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seen him live or anything like that. So
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he came graciously and uh but before we
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went on stage uh we had lunch and he
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asked me what I was doing. I said,
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"Well, I'm working on this film with
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this Russian girl who's raising a
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Siberian tiger, and as he gets big,
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there's trouble." And I told him kind of
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the whole story line. And luckily, I
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don't always do this, but that day, I
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told it particularly well.
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>> And he just got it and he embraced it.
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And his fingers were doing this. And he
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said, "I think somebody at this table
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with some Russian background could do a
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song for you."
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>> And my head was just, "Richard, I didn't
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hear." Right. Right. Did you just say
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that?
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>> Wow. and and his family told me later
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that he wrote that this uh laabi is it's
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a Russian laabi. He wrote that that
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night when when he came home from the
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event.
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>> I just love that man to pieces for many
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reason.
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>> That's amazing. I I hope to hear that
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someday.
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>> You will.
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>> I can't wait. That's Well, thank you so
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much for having us. Thank you for
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tonight. Thank you for this exhibit.
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It's been a lot of fun. Make sure to
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stop by the Walt Disney Family Museum.
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You don't want to miss this. It's
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beautiful. I know. We're going back in
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next.
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Wasn't that fun? I had a blast doing it.
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I had a blast revisiting it. I hope you
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enjoyed it as much as I did. Uh because
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really that is one of the special things
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that can happen at the Walt Disney
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Family Museum. Maybe not that specific
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conversation, but before the
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conversation, he did do a Q&A with a
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bunch of people that were there for that
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opening night. And they do special
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events like that all the time where you
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can have Disney legends, you can have
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current active animators or Pete Doctor
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or who knows right in front of you
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answering questions about who they are,
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how they came to be, what they're
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creating at any given time. And that's
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something that's really special that
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really uh you don't get that doesn't
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happen very many places. Maybe in a D23
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event, but this is happening all the
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time. And I think it's actually this is
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probably a little less um it's a little
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less perfected and it's a little bit
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more organic at the Walt Disney Family
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Museum, which is something I absolutely
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love about it. But there's really four
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reasons that every Disney fan needs to
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visit the Walt Disney Family Museum. I'm
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going to get through those really quick
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for you today. But if you haven't been
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there, you need to go. That's really
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what it comes down to it. If you have
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been there, let me know in the comments
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what you love most about the Walt Disney
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Family Museum. All right, now let's get
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into the four reasons that you should go
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to the Walt Disney Family Museum. And
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the first one is getting to have a
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personal touch with Walt Disney's
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history. You get to go through and see
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right in front of your eyes Walt
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Disney's personal items. There's
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letters, there's early art pieces, and
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it gives you an upclose appreciation
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for not just Walt Disney, the man, but
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what he also went through to create the
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parks, to create the movies, to really
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create these magical
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experiences that we know and love
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decades after he's passed. And as you go
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through this history, it is, as I said
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before, it takes you on that emotional
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journey. It takes you on that um it
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really does like it takes you up and
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down and and it's hard not to cry at the
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end of it. I think most people do in the
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final room and and you just really
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connect with Walt Disney's life and his
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family's life and the legacy that he's
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carried on in a way that that you know
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Disneyland comes close but there's
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something very special about going
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through the Walt Disney Family Museum
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and um feeling the love and feeling that
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story just envelop you because it's all
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Walt and and it really is and his
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family. I mean, but it is it's all
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focused on the Walt Disney family, and
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that's really a powerful and special
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thing. Two, it's educational and
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interactive. This is something you're
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going to walk away having learned or
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picked up something else. Some of it is
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stuff you learn. Some of it's things you
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just catch and you're like, "Oh, wow.
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That totally makes sense." Because you
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got to do something with uh sound
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effects or whatever. you you start to
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get a new appreciation
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for the whole process, the creative
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process that Walt Disney in many cases
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created. And there's interactive
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stations you can find throughout the the
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museum. They have workshops all the
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time. And then there's also the curated
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galleries that really make they make the
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animation history more accessible and
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and fun for children of all ages. It
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really is something that you can go in
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with kids. you can go in, you know, by
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yourself as an adult or with grandma and
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grandpa and everybody's going to find a
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way to connect and take away something
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from this museum, which is fantastic.
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Third, its location is fantastic. It's
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in the historic Prescidio of San
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Francisco. You're looking at the Golden
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Gate Bridge right behind it when you're
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walking up. It's absolutely perfect.
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There's a lot of good restaurants and
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places that's not too far away. You
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could also eat at the museum itself. You
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can sit outside. We've brought picnic
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picnics before and enjoyed just the
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beautiful location that the Prescidio
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is. And then getting to connect that
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with the history of San Francisco and
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the history of of Walt Disney and just
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being in a a place that you want to be.
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like it's it's really it's not
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necessarily what I expected the first
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time I went there because I think I was
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expecting Disneyland and it's not it's
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the Prescidia with Disney right in the
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middle of it and and it's absolutely
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fantastic and it's really close to Lucas
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Film so you can go down and see the Yoda
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uh statue and then that's a lot of fun
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as well. All right. Fourth reason is it
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celebrates the artists whether it's Mark
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Davis all the way through Andreas Deja.
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It continues to honor the individual
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artists and imagineers who contributed
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to the Disney legacy. It recognized that
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Walt the Man wasn't a solo artist. He
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was the tip of the iceberg of this
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incredible juggernaut that was Walt
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Disney Company or Walt Disney
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Productions back in the day. And it
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really was a team effort that created
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these dreams that really brought Walt
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Disney's dreams to life. Yes, he he came
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up with these ideas. Yes, he he pitched
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these ideas and led them and and really
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through sheer willpower in many respects
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pushed many of these things through,
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including Disneyland.
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But it took the team to make the dream
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come to life. And it really does
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acknowledge that as you're going through
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these different exhibits and you go
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through these even the special um the
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special exhibits that come quite often
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do that as well. And you get a a unique
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insight into the people that were around
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Walt and and what it could have been
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like to be in the space when those
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creative pursuits were happening. And
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and I would love to do that. So be
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thinking of this next time when I need
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to go somewhere and I'm a Disney fan.
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Where do I want to go? Huh? Maybe I
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should go to San Francisco to the Walt
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Disney Family Museum because it does
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have one, that touch of history. Two,
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it's educational interactive. Three,
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historic San Francisco. It's beautiful.
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It's fantastic. You got to go. And four,
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it celebrates the artist and the
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creatives around Walt Disney himself.
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The Walt Disney Family Museum,
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Marceline, Missouri, Walt's barn, Walt's
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birthplace,
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all of things, all of these places
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contribute to the life and the legacy
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historically of Walt Disney. They each
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tell a piece or they each hold a piece
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of Walt's life or maybe what his life
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was after his life, the legacy of his
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life. The Walt Disney Family Museum is
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kind of that uh it's that one place that
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ties it all together. Everything else is
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is connected to a different part of his
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life, whether it's his birthplace, where
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he grew up, where he lived as an adult,
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or where he played as an adult, I guess
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you should say, with his his barn. But
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the Walt Disney Family Museum is that
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that place that pulls all of it
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together. So, you get the entire story
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of Walt Disney and his life and his
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legacy in one place. You get to connect
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with Walt in a way that you can't
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anywhere else. And then it adds depth
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and meaning to all the stories he's
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told, all the movies he's made, the
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places he built. It it really changes
25:04
your perspective on Disneyland, but it
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also does the same for all of these
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other places that continue to celebrate
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the life and the legacy of Walt Disney.
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And so, if you get the chance, go to the
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Walt Disney Family Museum. Follow them
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on social media. connect with them while
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you're up there. Go to their gift shop.
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If you can't spend the whole day there,
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hop into the gift shop and and pick up a
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book, pick up a a trinket, I don't know,
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but support the Walt Disney Family
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Museum. support all of these places that
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continue to carry on the life and the
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legacy of Walt Disney because they're
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going to only get harder to support or
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harder to maintain, I guess I should
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say, and need the support that much more
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as we move forward because there's fewer
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and fewer people that actually lived
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with Walt, that actually knew Walt, that
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can tell us firsthand what it was like
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to work with Walt and to be a part of
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that incredible
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time in Disney's history. So, as we wrap
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this up, I want to ask you, have you
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been to the Walt Disney Museum? And if
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so, what is your favorite piece of
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Disney history that you've seen either
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at the museum or if you haven't been
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there in general? I'd love to know. Let
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me know in the comments. But that's what
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I've got for you this week. Please make
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sure to check out dapsmagic.com for your
26:26
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would love a positive rating wherever
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26:49
and it helps us spread the Disney and
26:51
positive stuff that we love so much.
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Make it a great week, everybody. Keep
26:57
kind. And we'll see you in the parks.

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