Is The Mandalorian and Grogu Good? Movie Review & Breakdown

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Sarah. And we are going to be talking
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about the Mandalorian and Grou, which we
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shall we?
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>> Welcome, sir.
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>> Yeah, let's do it. Hello.
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>> It's been a while.
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>> I'm back. Yeah, I haven't been for a
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while.
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>> More than like every two years.
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>> Yeah. You know, things got busy and and
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you get busy and then I get busy and
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it's at random times and then suddenly
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we're not busy. So, we can do things
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together again even though we are still
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busy. It's just our busyiness coincided.
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>> We we we synced our busy.
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>> Yes. Yes. Sometimes this just seems to
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happen and it works out really well for
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us. Um, all right. But we're going to
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talk about The Mandalorian and Grou,
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which we both saw on opening night. And
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I saw it in a standard theater. You saw
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it in a 3D theater. We might talk a
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little bit about that. But at the end of
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the day, a movie is a movie and it
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stands on its own. And this particular
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movie, we thought we'd start off by
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reading the log line so we don't have to
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go through everything. But here is what
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Disney officially says about The
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Mandalorian and Grou. This is super
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exciting, guys. The evil empire has
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fallen. The Imperial Warlords remain
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scattered throughout the galaxy. As the
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fledgling New Republic works to protect
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everything the rebellion has fought for,
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they have enlisted the help of legendary
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Mandalorian bounty hunter Dingjarun, who
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they never say during the movie, and his
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young apprentice Grou. There is your
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official log line other than and they
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never say in the movie cuz I made that
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up. But did you catch they
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>> did you catch they never said his name
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throughout the movie?
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>> I feel like I did, but I like I feel
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like that's kind of common. And almost I
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feel like that's kind of common with
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Star Wars characters in general. Like
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some of my favorite characters never
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have their names mentioned.
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>> Unless your name is Han and you're
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always in trouble.
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>> Or you're Luke Skywalker and you're here
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to save us.
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>> Yes. Oh, yes. There you go. That, too.
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All right. So before we get too ind
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depth on stuff, what was your initial
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thought or impressions as you were
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walking out of the theater on Thursday
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night?
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>> I was so enamored and happy because like
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I was like, am I going to hate this?
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Like I didn't watch season 3. I kind of
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I don't do TV shows so like trying to
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like I was like am I going to be lost?
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Am I going to you know going in and then
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coming out I was like I wasn't lost. I
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love that. That was great. this is what
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Star Wars should be.
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>> I I'm very similar with you on that. I
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walked out going, "That was a fun ride."
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Like, and
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>> anybody who's ever gone to a movie with
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me or just knows my movie going habits
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knows that you always get the watch
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test. A movie fails to me at different
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levels based on how many times I look at
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my watch. And I'm a little bit of a I
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like to have lots of things happening at
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once. And so sitting in a movie for a
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long time can be a challenge for me. And
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I will say The Mandalorian and Grou
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passed the watch test. I didn't look at
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it once. And I was also pleasantly
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surprised with how not long it was. Like
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>> yeah,
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>> like I love Lord of the Rings. like and
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I did sit through the extended ones when
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they re-released them, but I was very
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like it was refreshing to have a movie
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that felt like just a fun movie that
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wasn't a million years long. I am
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vehemently anti- 2our plus movies. I I
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will almost never go to a movie theater
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even if I'm invited to a screening if
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the movie is over two hours because I do
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not like to sit there.
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>> I don't do Avatar. Yeah.
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>> No. Oh, yeah. No, I've seen the first
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one and I haven't seen anything else. I
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>> I've I've watched them all at home. I
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just I cannot sit in a theater that long
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and I get sore like sitting there that
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long. I'm like, "All right, I'm you
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know, these seats aren't that
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comfortable even though they're the
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comfortable seats now or whatever." But,
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uh,
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>> do you have the recliners? Because our
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my my closest theater is getting the
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recliners, not just the nice ones, like
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the whole like put your feet up
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recliners. And then you can decide how
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like it goes up or where.
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>> Yeah. But they get they get flattened
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after a short time. Like if you get
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middle
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>> all the good seats end up being
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uncomfortable. So you have to go into
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the corners and it's like I I don't want
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to go in the corner. I want to I want
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that. And we had perfect seats. Like it
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was centered and it looked beautiful.
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Like it was fantastic. But uh such is
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life. That's that's good movie.
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>> I also do the watch test. I and I I
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admit that I looked at my watch once
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during this movie and it was because I
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was like,
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>> you know, like how long have we been
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like watching because like this is like
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moving really fast and like a lot had
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happened and I was like, oh, okay, the
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runtime is almost done like
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>> and I didn't look at the runtime ahead
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of time, which was kind of shocking for
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me because normally probably because
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I've had media events a lot lately, but
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uh it was just one of those things where
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I just didn't get around to looking at
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that particular detail and I was very
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pleasantly surprised. Um, did you have
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any expectations going in?
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>> I really just wanted cute Grou. Like
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that was all I that was that was
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literally what I was there for. I was
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like, as long as Grou as long as Grou is
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a precious little baby,
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>> I'm good.
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>> As long as Pedro is Pedro and Grou is
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Grou, I was set. like I I didn't have
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any expectation other than that.
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>> But I'm also a defender of the Ewok
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movies. So I don't know that I'm a good
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judge of quality.
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I'm a good judge of what's a good time.
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And so that was all I wanted was a good
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time.
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>> And don't you think that should be the
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judge for every movie is is some of my
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favorite movies are the worst movies on
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the planet. And some of them also are
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the classic, you know, like
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>> I mean, I'm a horror fan, so that that
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goes without saying like
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>> there you go. But like as as I'm
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thinking of a couple of my favorite
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movies, Casablanca is definitely always
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right at the top, but then right there
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at the top also could be the boat necks,
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you know, and like
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>> Yeah. No, I'm
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>> one of the best movies ever, one of the
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worst movies ever. Um, I actually went
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in expecting it to be a good time cuz I
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feel like John Favro does such a good
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job with just making movies that are
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enjoyable like whether it's Chef,
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whether it's Iron Man, you know,
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whatever.
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>> And I was expecting that. I did have
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concerns about the huts. Uh mainly
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because I am not a huge fan of the re
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what the remake version I guess of a new
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hope where they added in digital job of
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the hut and that has always been a
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I don't know a an edge that I just don't
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enjoy is like I don't like seeing like I
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prefer
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uh like I prefer other smaller
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characters that are digital than these
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big there's just lots of surface to
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suddenly digital, I guess. Is that a
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good way to put it?
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>> Yeah. So, I was worried about Rada in
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particular and and thankfully I didn't
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feel like it was that distracting.
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>> Like there was a couple moments where I
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was like, eh. But
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>> they did a good job though, I think, of
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like the interaction of practical with
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the digital elements.
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>> And I mean, let's be real, we've come a
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long way since Yeah. Jabba was inserted.
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Like the twins looked pretty good in
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Book of Boba Fett. Like
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>> and I thought they looked good in this
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too. Like I actually thought
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>> with the lighting and everything, they
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they never actually came like there was
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no alarm bells in my brain for that. The
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one I was worried about was the big
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fighting scenes with Rada that we're
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seeing in the previews. And I was just
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like, "Huh, this might not work." But I
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thought in at the end of the day, I
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thought they did a great job. Um and my
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expectations were met that we had fun.
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So, let's let's keep going with what
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were some of our bright spots of the
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movie. So, uh whether it's let's start
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with what was the standout performances
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for you?
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>> I really appreciated
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seeing more of the relationship the
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emotional relationship between
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um Den and Grou. Like I really liked
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the the build upon the fact that you
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know Den is for all you know intents and
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purposes now Grou's father not just a
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caretaker not just a mentor but actually
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his father and so I really liked seeing
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that like that realization that Den had
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where parents have to like let their
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children fly for themselves and I liked
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seeing Grou come into his own a little
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bit and make, you know, friendships with
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like the Aurelians and go back and do,
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you know, things with them without the
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Mando, you know, being around. And I So,
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I liked seeing a little bit of that like
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Dins coming into fatherhood and Grou
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growing up a little bit. That was very
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much a highlight for me.
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>> I completely agree. I thought uh those
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were some of my favorite moments in in
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the movie were seeing their interactions
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with each other. And you know, Grou
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making friends was also a blast. Like I
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could see I wouldn't mind an entire
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series just watching all these little
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guys go around in their little spaceship
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and uh um causing mayhem. Like I you
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know it's it's they did what is it?
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>> What did they do? Doug Days or whatever
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uh with Up and I'm like exactly
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>> what about what about Grou goes? I don't
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know. Um
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>> but like I thought that was really fun
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particularly with how much practical uh
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effects were you know the puppetry I
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guess that was used and I thought it was
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really fun seeing in the credits that
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Dave Fona was a second unit director for
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puppetry and I was like oh that's cool.
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There was another guy too. I'm
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forgetting the name. I'm sorry but uh I
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thought that was really cool. Um, I
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thought it was fun seeing how
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the the theme I guess because it was a
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standout performance not just for for uh
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Mando and Grou, but also
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>> I actually was very surprised with Rada.
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um
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>> getting that
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>> that was a such a
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unexpected
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approach to the character of Rada versus
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his father Joba the Hut and how
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>> how he didn't want to be his dad and and
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that's such I think a relatable thing
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for so many fathers and sons and
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daughters and mothers and and whatever
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of these are the things that we see in
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the generations before us that we want
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to improve on or even walk away from
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completely. And uh and for being a
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digital character, that could have been
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hard. Um,
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>> yeah. I think Jeremy Allen White did a
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really great job with the voice work and
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like portraying this character who
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really just wants to get out of the
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shadow of his father, which is really
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interesting when you consider that he
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did uh The Iron Claw, which is also a
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movie about wrestlers,
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you know, living under the impact of
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their name and who they like. And
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you know, I think that that's a really
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kind of poignant moment for this
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character in Star Wars because we
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consider the Huts just to be kind of a a
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villain and there's there's not much
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more to them except they're greedy and
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they're villains and
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>> they're added a nice depth to it.
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>> Exactly. And I think I just I really I
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was surprised by it.
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>> Yeah. And if you didn't get that
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performance right, the whole movie
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doesn't work. And and so I thought that
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was something that was great. Um I
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enjoyed the cameos that we saw a few of
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them like that was a lot of fun like
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seeing Dave Vol. Yeah. Whoever. Um like
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I thought there was a lot of those fun
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little moments that were kind of wink
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wink nudge nudge and if you knew you
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knew and if you didn't it was fine. And
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um and I liked that too because um I
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felt like it made the movie accessible
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cuz sometimes in fandom movies,
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franchise movies maybe is a better way,
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uh there's so much that you either know
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or don't know that it can determine how
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much you enjoy or don't enjoy the movie.
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And I thought this movie was like you
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don't have to know anything. Just show
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up and enjoy. And and that's I think the
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strength of the original trilogy too is
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you could really come in and just enjoy
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>> whether it's A New Hope or Empire
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Strikes Back or or Jedi like you didn't
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necessarily have to know everything that
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came before or after cuz they went with
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the assumption that like this will work
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like you'll figure it out and you do
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like it was it was kind of funny. give
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you like a, you know, on on our last
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episode, you get like a little bit of a
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moment like in each movie where they
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kind of,
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>> hey, just in case, you know, here's
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remember what happened. Yeah, it's cool.
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Cool.
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>> Mhm.
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>> But they don't make it so you you have
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to have like a PhD in whatever to to
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enjoy this movie. And I and I really
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appreciated that. Um, what did you think
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of like what were your favorite parts of
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like the visuals and the artistry and
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and what we saw on the screen?
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>> I really liked uh was it Shakari? Is
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that what the name of the city was? I
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really loved
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>> that like Bladeunner cyberpunk vibe of
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it. like it felt like I was like
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watching like a cyberpunk movie and I
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was like, "Okay, I'm" and the the score
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was a little bit techno and like I I I
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enjoyed the food stall. I mean, I'm a
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I'm a food person. I love the food
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stalls. And of course, you know, you
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have Martin Scorsesei voicing Hugo
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Durant and he has his first and
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>> I So that whole scene I loved and I I
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did read that the um the scene in the
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bar
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where they're talking about salt is
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supposed to be like a tea. It was like a
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nod to like the tea shop of like
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hard-boiled and I'm like I need to go
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back and watch hard-boiled now. So, like
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I love these nods to like
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>> mo other movie worlds and other genres
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even. And I think that's what
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Mandalorian as a whole like including
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the show has done really well is and
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it's like why I like the the Ewok
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movies. The Ewok movies do not feel like
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sci-fi. They feel like, you know, not at
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all. Yeah.
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>> They they feel like, you know, Sword and
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what is it? Sword and Staff movies. like
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the wizard movie, like a fantasy, high
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fantasy kind of movie,
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>> but with Ewoks.
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>> And so I feel like The Mandalorian has
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done like kind of a western vibe or a
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noir vibe. And I I like the mixture of
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genre outside of just sci-fi.
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>> Mhm. I I was hooked with the visuals
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basically from the moment the movie
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started on I don't know what planet, the
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Hoth looking planet, whatever we want to
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call that. Maybe it was, maybe it
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wasn't. Um, but like seeing that battle
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scene right at the beginning, I was
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like, "Oh yeah, this is Star Wars. This
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is great." And then like I was thrown a
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little bit and I decided by the end of
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the movie I really liked it at the uh
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New Republic base, which I think we've
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seen before in in Mando, but um I need
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to go back and rewatch all of that. But
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I I was
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>> according to the according to the recap
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I watched, it is the same base.
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>> Okay. I I was like I'm pretty sure it
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was, but I didn't.
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>> It's the Deli base, I think, is what
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they call it.
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>> Um at first I was like, "Oh, this is
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really small." But then I was also like,
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"Well, of course it is." You know, it
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was just kind of one of those you work
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through it. And I liked how they did
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that. I liked the different planets that
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we saw and the fact that we didn't go to
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a zillion of them. Um because I think it
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kept things one easy to follow, two it
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made it gave them time to make each of
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them come to life and you know whether
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it's you know grou in the jungle or or
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in shock. So here's my problem with with
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is it Shakar? Say it again.
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>> Shakari Shakari is that
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>> I now I'm like
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>> it's either So here's my problem. I'm
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pretty sure in Star Trek 5 there's uh
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Shakari which is like the destination in
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the middle of the galaxy or something.
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And um are you looking it up?
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>> I am I'm trying to like casually look it
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up here.
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>> No, do it as I call you out on it. But
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uh no, I loved the different
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>> Shakari. I was right.
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>> Shakari. Okay. Cuz literally I walked
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out of the the movie and I'm like I feel
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like I know this name. Why do I know
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this name? And then I realized it was
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Star Trek 5 I think I'm messing it up
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with. But um I thought that was fun. I
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thought the uh the house on the like in
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the bluff or whatever that was where
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they uh where they capture the Imperial
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guy. I thought that was really fun. Like
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that was just a fun scene, you know? I
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don't know if it was the
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>> beach house.
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>> Yes. I was like this is what a beach
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house looks like for a former Imperial
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officer. Awesome. Um,
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yeah, I I enjoyed that a lot. I thought
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it was just a lot of fun. Like I liked
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also the you could tell the thought
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process put into each area, too. Like
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>> yeah,
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>> going into the Huts palace, like you
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could see how it was connected to
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Jabba's palace in a completely different
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home world or on their home world. And
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um and I thought that was fun, but you
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could also just see the layers that they
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they put through or they put thought
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process into. And I thought that was
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really fun.
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>> My husband said to me, he goes, "Do you
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think that they meant to have the um the
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old like fisherman creature who's in Nal
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Huta? Was he supposed to look like he
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was sitting in Pirates of the
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Caribbean?" Because that's what Ma like
19:26
Matthew's like it reminded him. He's
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like, he's like, it felt like the bayou
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scene when you're starting on Pirates
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and you want to hear the old guy. Yeah.
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Like rocking in his chair. And I was
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like, I don't know that that was
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intentional, but I can see it.
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>> I could totally see it happening cuz
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they're all Disneyland fans, I feel
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like. And uh
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>> like it it but it like initially felt
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that way.
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>> I could totally see that. I I would love
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to see if that showed up on the trivia
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section of IMDP at some point because
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that would be cool. If if we ever get
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the chance to uh talk with John Fil,
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maybe we'll ask and uh assuming we
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remember like all of this Star Wars, but
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we want to know about the guy sitting on
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the
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with his fish.
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>> No, I'm going to talk to him about
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Martin Scorsese and food. Like that's
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>> Well, that too. I mean, both were food
20:15
related. How did you cook the fish? Um.
20:19
>> Mhm.
20:20
>> Uh, what did you think of the score?
20:23
>> I loved it. Ludick Gorenson is so good.
20:27
I I don't think there is a movie that he
20:30
has been attached to with a score that I
20:32
have disliked.
20:34
>> Like I'm trying to think. I'm like I
20:36
>> I don't think so. And he just won an
20:38
Oscar for Sinners. So, yay horror. Like,
20:43
you know, I'm I'm always going to be a
20:44
horror girl. like that's just who I am.
20:47
But I love when two of my passions can
20:50
cross over. And so, you know, he did
20:53
Black Panther. He
20:55
>> he cuz he works with Ryan Cougler a lot.
20:57
So, uh almost exclusively, I believe,
21:01
because they were college roommates, if
21:03
I remember.
21:03
>> Yeah, there's some connection back
21:04
there. Yeah, I remember that.
21:05
>> So, um so I love that. But he's he's
21:09
been attached to Mando since the
21:11
beginning. like he did the original
21:13
theme and I have been obsessed since
21:16
>> the first season of the Mandalorian.
21:18
Like
21:19
>> I think it is
21:21
>> if we have to like walk away from a John
21:24
Williams score, this is the way to do
21:26
it. Being like as different as you
21:28
possibly can.
21:29
>> I agree. I felt was like a really good
21:32
strategy for setting this world apart,
21:35
but still like
21:37
>> Yeah, I was thinking through the
21:39
different scores
21:41
of Star Wars, whether it's the series or
21:44
the um the cartoon series or the movies.
21:48
And I started with the movies and I was
21:51
like, I think after the John Williams
21:53
scores, this one might be my favorite.
21:56
And and that's nothing against Michael
21:58
Jacino or or Powell, but um
22:02
>> there was something about this not
22:04
trying to be what all the others were
22:07
cuz both Solo and Rogue One are trying
22:10
to fit within that traditional Star Wars
22:13
>> Yeah.
22:14
>> universe and storytelling uh musically I
22:17
felt like and this was like well no this
22:20
is the Mandalorian and Grou. we're going
22:22
with the Mandalorian and Grou and I
22:24
can't imagine them going a different
22:26
direction with this to be honest. It
22:27
wouldn't have worked. Um because it
22:30
>> it is like that style is as much a
22:33
character in Mando as
22:37
you know Mando is and I thought it was
22:39
very well done and I liked too that it
22:42
wasn't just carbon copy of what we've
22:44
gotten in the series and cuz you could
22:47
have
22:48
>> they definitely built upon it.
22:50
>> Yeah. Like there was building moments
22:51
even in the main theme where instead of
22:54
it going straight into the next section,
22:55
it was like, "Oh, no. We're going to
22:56
give you a little bit more building here
22:58
and then go into the next section, which
23:00
I thought was fun." And then I liked the
23:02
whole scene. I think it's something to
23:04
the world of like Grou's world or
23:05
something. Um, but it's when Grou is
23:08
>> kind of discovering the world on his
23:10
own. And I loved how
23:14
it was not John Williams at all, but it
23:17
definitely was a hat tip to John
23:19
Williams because you're like, "Oh, this
23:23
could easily be going back to the
23:26
original Mandalorian and Grou. This
23:28
could be Baby Yoda." And it and the
23:30
music felt
23:32
very John Williamsesque while not being
23:36
it at all, you know, like it was a very
23:38
>> it didn't it felt like an homage, not a
23:41
copy.
23:42
>> Yes. Yeah. And and
23:44
>> it didn't feel like they were just
23:45
trying to be John Williams without
23:47
paying John Williams. It felt like
23:50
someone saying, "I have stepped into
23:52
this role that you once held. I really
23:55
respect you and here's my tribute to the
23:58
work you have done. Yeah. To make this
24:00
movie like magic.
24:01
>> And it and it wasn't like as you said
24:04
there was no carbon copy. There was no
24:06
like I don't think there was any
24:08
traditional Star Wars themes in that but
24:10
it felt right and that was more like
24:13
that's always more important. Like a
24:14
good score in a good movie will take the
24:17
viewer or the listener on a good
24:18
emotional journey. And in my world,
24:22
either should be able to tell the story.
24:24
And when they come together, that's what
24:25
makes it even even more magical. And and
24:28
I thought this did that very well. And
24:30
I've listened to the score a little bit
24:31
after. I haven't made it all the way
24:33
through yet, but I want to.
24:34
>> I I've done I've I've listened all the
24:36
way through twice now.
24:37
>> Nice.
24:37
>> When I wrote my review, I I I have a
24:40
tendency when I write movie reviews, if
24:42
the score is available, I immerse myself
24:45
because it helps. It help it does
24:47
because then you remember the music will
24:50
trigger something and you're like, "Oh
24:51
yeah, I have to write about this thing
24:52
that happened in that moment." And
24:55
>> ex I completely agree. Um, but no, I do
24:59
like I've made it probably twothirds
25:00
through twice. But but I love like
25:06
>> I just love that you can picture what's
25:08
happening on the screen through his
25:10
score. And to me that's a success. And I
25:13
can remember as a kid I we didn't have
25:16
all of the stuff we have today. So it
25:19
wasn't as easy to get like a Star Wars
25:21
score or a you know on cassette tapes or
25:24
whatever at the time. So I can remember
25:27
uh one time how did I do it? I think we
25:30
had it on VHS. We had a new hope and I
25:33
put a cassette player next to the TV and
25:37
just recorded a new hope audio so I
25:40
could listen to it because I wanted to
25:41
hear the soundtrack and and then
25:44
eventually I was able to get the
25:45
soundtrack. But, you know, it goes back
25:48
forever and um and so I'm a little
25:50
particular when it comes to soundtracks
25:53
like you're either going to make it or
25:54
you're not,
25:56
>> you know, um previous career life. But
26:00
um uh but no, I thought I thought he did
26:03
a great job. Like there was a couple
26:05
things that I was like, I think I would
26:07
tweak this. But overall,
26:09
>> I bet you the parts that you said that
26:11
about are the ones that I love. I love
26:14
there's a song on the sound on the score
26:16
called like Hugo Durant's like
26:20
>> I forget the exact title but I love that
26:22
like twangy almost
26:25
>> like it almost feels like it should have
26:27
been in sinners because it's got like a
26:29
kind of twangy
26:31
>> and it was in the credits too
26:33
>> like
26:35
>> vibe to it and I just I loved I was like
26:37
this is so different like this is I
26:39
thought that was not
26:41
>> and I liked I did like the techno. I was
26:43
kind of like, why didn't they
26:46
>> I was like, why didn't they hire him for
26:48
Tron Aries? Like I I don't think that,
26:51
you know,
26:53
>> did a bad job,
26:55
>> but I think this would have been better.
26:57
>> Well, this score is more memorable.
26:59
Like, as you're saying that, I can hear
27:00
what you're saying. And I cannot for the
27:03
life of me think of the the Tron score.
27:05
I like my critiques were were a couple
27:07
of like interstitial choices that were
27:09
very short and very
27:11
>> I actually thought overly simple for
27:13
what everything else was done and not in
27:15
a way of like a guitar or something. It
27:17
was just kind of a like oh you're just
27:19
doing uh unison of three notes for a
27:22
couple seconds that that you know
27:24
>> I wonder if that happened because of
27:26
like editing and then they didn't have
27:27
time to go back and
27:29
>> so they were just like we have to do
27:31
something. Maybe they were trying to
27:33
also just show power and simplicity or
27:35
something. Like there's choices that
27:36
were made and and and it was it wasn't
27:39
bad. It just was like, "Oh, compared to
27:41
everything else,
27:43
>> this isn't as exciting to me." and and
27:45
it stuck out a little bit just because
27:47
you do have moments like with uh you
27:49
know that that wonderful Italian mob
27:52
sounding
27:54
music and uh and and the techno and
27:57
everything else and and and the main
27:58
theme like the theme was fantastic as
28:01
well. Um,
28:03
what did you think were maybe some of
28:05
the
28:07
before we move into to the story as
28:09
much, what were some of your moments of
28:12
highlights that just jumped out at you
28:14
that like, oh, this was awesome, whether
28:16
it was
28:18
>> Oh jeez. Um, I really liked
28:24
the um, obviously the Martin Scorsesei
28:27
cameo. I'm I'm obsessed. I I love side
28:30
characters. So for me, anytime you get
28:32
like a sandwich,
28:34
>> right, I'm like I I'm gonna go I'm gonna
28:38
go like bug Roy Choy online and be like,
28:41
"Get me a real recipe, sir, please." And
28:43
thank you.
28:44
>> I mean, you'll be getting pictures when
28:45
I have it at Disneyland because they are
28:46
selling it at Docking Bay 7 in Star Wars
28:49
Galaxy's Edge.
28:51
>> I'm I'm curious about the hope. I'm
28:54
curious bread that
28:56
>> Oh, so they're not doing the tayyaki
28:59
style like waffle bread. No, I know for
29:02
sure that that was a chabata that that
29:06
they're serving in Galaxy's Edge and
29:08
that was what
29:10
>> I'm sure that's a timing issue also
29:13
because
29:14
>> um maybe so I did an interview the other
29:16
day and it sounded to me like basically
29:19
what was in Galaxy's Edge is what you
29:22
see on the movie. Um maybe the process
29:25
>> I'm hard arguing with you. I'm hard
29:27
arguing with you because in the video
29:28
that Disney released with John Favro and
29:33
Roy Choy, they show the waffle irons.
29:36
The bread is actually a tayyaki style
29:40
like waffle bread but without like a
29:43
filling
29:44
>> and that's why he's got multiple arms so
29:46
he can flip the waffle irons.
29:48
>> And that's what the it's laid on. And
29:50
that's why in the photos that the like
29:53
the professional photos, it's like a
29:55
thick like it it looks like kind of
29:57
weird almost because it doesn't look it
30:00
almost doesn't look real.
30:01
>> Mhm.
30:02
>> And
30:03
>> so we need to that more.
30:05
>> That's what I I'm and I think just for a
30:08
logistics standpoint, a home chef or
30:11
even in park making a tayyaki style
30:14
bread is not exactly
30:17
>> or easy.
30:18
>> Yeah. And they had to specially make the
30:20
waffle iron for the film.
30:22
>> Well, and and the thing I noticed in the
30:24
film was I didn't think what they were
30:27
cooking on the left lined up with what
30:29
was put on the table in front of me. I
30:31
was like that bread doesn't look like
30:33
that. Like that was
30:35
>> there could be some. And this is this is
30:37
the problem with being a foodie and
30:38
watching food scenes and movies for a
30:40
living, which I do. Also, the difference
30:43
between the movie and the park is that
30:46
the they serve it with like egg on time
30:49
>> on top rather.
30:50
>> It's egg, not cheese.
30:52
>> But because you can't have a rawish egg
30:55
in a park or you're not going to
30:58
>> share a recipe with a potentially
31:01
dangerous
31:02
>> what? You don't want to get people sick
31:04
from a theme park?
31:05
>> I mean, no. Probably not a great idea.
31:09
Um,
31:11
so but it it very much seems like a
31:13
breakfast sandwich and I'm like
31:15
>> I'm about this like I
31:17
>> I curious want to try an actual version
31:20
of it.
31:21
>> Mhm.
31:22
>> I want both. I want all of them. Um,
31:25
fair. So that was your highlight moment.
31:28
Uh, I think mine
31:29
>> was definitely my highlight.
31:30
>> Uh, I think the opening scene was a
31:33
highlight, which I'd seen that before at
31:34
a preview that we got quite some time
31:36
ago. And um was that Destination D23
31:40
maybe? I can't remember now. But um I
31:42
loved that moment. I loved the uh Grou
31:47
coming into his own I thought was a
31:49
highlight of the film.
31:50
>> With his little hiking stick like Yoda.
31:52
>> Yeah. Like there was so many good
31:54
choices made there.
31:56
>> I I very much liked watching him do
31:58
that. And him trying to shove Mando into
32:00
the little cave and bumping his head. I
32:03
I do think that might have gone on a a
32:05
hair too long. Like I think it was funny
32:08
like once maybe three times might have
32:10
been too much
32:12
>> but I I still think it was really
32:14
hilarious
32:16
>> and I just Give me more. Give me more
32:19
>> Grou. I I I would take a whole movie of
32:22
just Grou.
32:22
>> I also liked
32:24
>> I also like that Zeb was in it. Like I
32:26
thought that was that he had an actual
32:28
role in it too, not just a
32:31
>> glorified cameo. Like I thought that was
32:33
very fun, too. Um, all right. Let's
32:35
let's talk about the we we've alluded to
32:38
it, but this definitely has a core
32:41
message in this film and and we were
32:45
both texting about it basically from the
32:47
moment we were both finally out of the
32:49
theaters because we were different times
32:51
a little bit. But um but it's it's
32:54
really a family story like whether it's
32:57
it's father son or found family
33:00
>> and um
33:02
>> and what did you think of that core
33:04
message? Like did it go far enough? Was
33:06
it too far? Was it?
33:08
>> I mean, I I would have loved more,
33:12
>> but I think it was effective in the way
33:15
it does because I feel like Star Wars
33:17
kind of as a whole is
33:21
main characters
33:24
um and how they engage with parents or
33:27
lack of parent or you know getting out
33:31
of
33:32
>> the Disney movies.
33:33
>> Yes. But I feel like I feel like Star
33:36
Wars does it differently. It's not just,
33:38
oh, a parent is dead, you know, moving
33:41
on,
33:41
>> whatever.
33:42
>> Yeah.
33:42
>> It's it's that loss
33:46
has impacts characters. You have Anakin,
33:48
you know, losing his mother, not knowing
33:51
any sort of father figure, latching on
33:53
to Qui-Gon, losing Qui-Gon,
33:56
you know, etc. Then you have Luke, who,
33:59
you know, is trying to be anything but
34:01
his father. You have Leia who grew up
34:04
with an adopted family, so she's
34:06
relatively well adjusted,
34:09
>> but you know, and then you have Cassie
34:12
and Andor now we, you know, losing his
34:15
mother, he's not able to be there with
34:17
for his mother
34:18
>> that, you know, helps to radicalize him.
34:22
And so like I feel like Disney or Disney
34:25
and Lucas Films and Star Wars have a
34:28
really great way of
34:31
showing different experiences with
34:34
parents that helps viewers see
34:36
themselves in these characters. you
34:39
know, whether you had a welladjusted,
34:42
you know, fairly welladjusted childhood
34:44
like Leia, you know, despite losing her
34:46
parents, she was raised by the Oras and
34:49
until Aldderon was,
34:52
>> you know, had a decent upbringing,
34:56
etc. You can see yourself in these
34:58
characters, and I love I love that. I
35:01
love Rada's arc of, you know, being out
35:06
of the hut shadow and not wanting to be
35:09
associated with just that name
35:12
>> and making it like what his way.
35:15
>> Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was interesting
35:18
too as you're just speaking is there's
35:21
so many different characters in there
35:23
that you can connect with in that regard
35:25
too. Whether you go back to and this you
35:28
would have to have seen the show, but
35:30
>> Mando loses his parents. He's a
35:32
foundling, you know, that's and so he's
35:34
trying to find his new
35:37
>> family in the universe and and you kind
35:39
of see some of that in this and and then
35:42
obviously Grou, but and and Rada. But it
35:46
is interesting that I think maybe some
35:48
of the people that didn't connect with
35:50
this film as as much maybe weren't able
35:54
to connect with the story that was being
35:56
told because they didn't have
36:00
any of these specific
36:03
story, you know, it didn't
36:04
>> they don't have that life experience.
36:06
>> Yeah. It's not their experience. Like
36:08
their experience is, oh, I had, you
36:10
know, the Anakin experience or the
36:11
whatever. And and I think that's nice
36:13
because that means that perhaps Star
36:16
Wars is expanding the stories and the
36:18
experiences it's offering so that more
36:20
people can connect. And
36:22
>> and maybe part of this is it's providing
36:26
experiences that come from a different
36:28
generation than so many Star Wars fans
36:31
are. Whether it's original series or
36:33
prequels or
36:35
>> sequels or series, you know, like
36:38
there's so many different entry points
36:40
for Star Wars now. And and I do think
36:43
there's something to be said for
36:46
wherever you connected originally with
36:47
Star Wars is always going to be that
36:49
kind of like standard of like, oh, this
36:52
is the best. Nothing will ever beat it,
36:54
even when things do. Um, and
36:58
but I I thought they really did a nice
37:00
job of kind of showing the vulnerability
37:06
for both sides because often we see the
37:08
vulnerability of like, oh, you know, gr
37:11
like the baby or whatever, but it's hard
37:14
to see parentals be vulnerable as well.
37:18
And I thought that was such a effective
37:20
choice
37:22
um that added to the I don't know the
37:26
emotional journey that was being being
37:28
told because that is something as life
37:31
we have to adjust and and approach and
37:34
and deal with. And uh and I liked they
37:37
didn't shy away from it cuz that could
37:38
have been a really short glossed over
37:41
thing and instead they made it a oh no
37:44
we're going to we're going to make you
37:45
sit in it for quite some time.
37:48
>> What's interesting is when you consider
37:50
like you know Den's experience in life
37:54
he grew up without parents. He's a
37:56
foundling. He doesn't know what it means
37:58
to be a father.
38:02
experience
38:04
like a father figure,
38:10
you know, the expectation of letting go
38:13
and letting your, you know, letting your
38:15
kid go the tricycle and maybe they're
38:18
going to fall off and
38:19
>> Yeah. and they're going to they're going
38:20
to fall off and scrape their knee. But
38:22
it's okay. That's not you being a bad
38:24
parent. That's they're going to have
38:26
life experience.
38:28
You know, up until this point, he's been
38:30
very much, you know, giving Grou armor,
38:33
giving Grou a means to just like defend
38:37
himself just in case, but he needs to
38:39
learn how to be on the offensive, not
38:42
the defensive, so to speak.
38:45
>> And and with life, not just like I don't
38:47
mean just to protect himself. I mean
38:49
like in life, he has to set out and make
38:52
friends. and you know like the Aurelians
38:54
and I think all of that we get that in
38:57
the way that the film ends and I don't I
39:00
didn't spoil it in my review and I won't
39:01
spoil it here is I think the the way
39:04
that the ending shows Den's
39:07
understanding of that is
39:10
>> magic like I was crying at the end I was
39:13
like oh my gosh
39:15
>> so good perfect
39:18
>> no notes kind of you know moment I I
39:21
liked how They if they if this was the
39:23
end of The Mandalorian, I would be
39:26
satisfied. Like I would be like, "Yep,
39:30
>> this was a good
39:32
>> I think Disney or I think Star Wars is
39:35
strongest away from the Skywalker saga."
39:38
>> Mhm.
39:39
>> And I really
39:40
>> That's fair.
39:41
>> I really like and I love, don't get me
39:43
wrong, I am a I love the sequel trilogy.
39:46
I am a staunch defender of Rise of
39:49
Skywalker. like people I will defend
39:52
that movie till I turn blue in the face.
39:54
I loved Force Awakens.
39:56
>> I I think Ry is a character that really
39:59
could have gotten explored. I'm a little
40:01
disappointed with the the connections. I
40:03
I liked it better when I thought Ry had
40:05
no connections.
40:07
>> Yeah.
40:07
>> And I I think I think there's a struggle
40:11
with Star Wars because the OG fans
40:14
always say, "We want something new. We
40:16
want something new." But then when they
40:18
get something new, they hate it. And I
40:21
think that's what has always appealed
40:22
for me and where Mando has been
40:25
strongest is when it wasn't trying to
40:28
shoehorn in Luke Skywalker. I as much as
40:31
I enjoyed Book of Boba Fett, it wasn't
40:34
really necessary. I didn't need more
40:36
tiein to
40:37
>> I thought I thought that was a little
40:38
bit
40:39
>> and I like I I like tattooing. I Return
40:42
of the Jedi is my favorite Star Wars
40:43
movie. I would rather have a Jabba movie
40:47
about Jabba's rise to power than I would
40:49
rather than I would have rather have it
40:52
being shoehorned into other
40:55
>> things. I'm looking forward to the new
40:57
what is it? Um,
40:59
>> Squadron Star.
41:03
I'm
41:03
>> I'm looking forward to that because from
41:05
everything I've you know been told it's
41:07
not really attached to anything else and
41:10
I love that.
41:12
I'm also curious where that one where
41:14
that's going to end up in the timeline.
41:15
All that like I think that's going to be
41:17
great.
41:17
>> It's I thought it was supposed to be
41:19
after
41:20
>> I think so trilogy.
41:23
>> Yeah, there's there's just other things
41:25
happening also that I'm like, well, how
41:27
is it still standalone if other stuff's
41:29
happening and I'm assuming in a
41:30
different era, similar different? Who
41:32
knows? We'll that's another podcast.
41:34
What I appreciated also about
41:36
Mandalorian is I didn't have to see all
41:38
the other shows to understand what
41:40
happened in this movie.
41:42
>> Like I want that. Let shows be shows.
41:46
>> Let movies be movies.
41:48
>> Well, and they and they can connect, but
41:50
I think it's important to make each
41:53
stand alone so you can enter wherever it
41:57
is that you want. And like I think
41:58
that's something you know that Marvel's
42:00
had challenges with, Star Wars has had
42:01
challenges with is when it becomes
42:05
so difficult to enter, then it becomes
42:08
increasingly easy to gatekeep. And and I
42:12
just don't think that's a healthy thing
42:13
for any fandom because when you have the
42:17
difficulty of entry and the easiness of
42:20
gatekeeping,
42:21
that's going to lead to the fall of the
42:23
franchise. Because at the end of the
42:26
day, movies, stories, all of this fit
42:30
into the wonderful world of business.
42:32
And that paradigm still will exist that
42:34
if you don't have new fans, your current
42:37
fans will run out and it will go away.
42:39
And um and that's not something any of
42:42
us want. Whether it's Disney, Star Wars,
42:44
Star Trek, Marvel, you know, all of
42:45
these things. I mean,
42:46
>> we love these things.
42:48
>> If you think about it, Marvel, you would
42:50
think that they would know better with
42:52
Marvel because in the '9s, before long
42:54
before Disney ever owned Marvel, Marvel
42:57
Comics almost went under. They they were
42:59
almost filing for bankruptcy because
43:02
everything was a tie-in. everything was
43:04
a world event, you know, and so nobody
43:07
wants to enter when you have to, you
43:10
know, in that example, buy
43:13
every series miniseries comic. Then you
43:16
have to buy the issues of Captain
43:18
America, the issues of Thor, the issues
43:19
of like I I worked in a comic shop. This
43:22
is it's it's hard. It's hard business. I
43:25
think this is where Marvel has gone
43:27
down. This is where Marvel's I used to
43:30
be, you know, I used to also think
43:32
dieard
43:33
>> you just inadvertently hit on a point
43:34
that makes this movie great also is it
43:39
didn't have galacticwide implications.
43:43
Like I liked that you could just go in
43:46
this is the story it fits in this tight
43:48
little box and you didn't have to know
43:52
it happened great. If you didn't know it
43:55
happened awesome. Like and it wasn't
43:57
that like oh the entire universe or the
44:01
new republic or the
44:03
>> first or like none of that
44:05
>> in the grand scheme of things was like
44:07
it was a small element in a much bigger
44:09
picture and I love that they they did
44:10
that and I thought that was such a good
44:12
point.
44:13
>> I had a friend who saw this in an
44:15
advanced screening
44:16
>> and he said to me he goes I've never
44:18
watched the show
44:20
>> period like not even one episode
44:22
>> and he goes and I had a great time with
44:24
this movie. He goes, "It was a good
44:26
time. I enjoyed it. I never felt lost.
44:30
>> It just was there. It was just a movie."
44:32
And I think that's where this movie is
44:34
really strong.
44:35
>> Yeah. And I think that brings up, which
44:37
was my next section, which I love, is
44:40
who's this movie for? What's the
44:41
community appeal? Like, who are the
44:43
people that are going to want to see it,
44:44
that are going to enjoy seeing it, that
44:46
maybe won't see it? Um,
44:49
>> well, I've I've already had plenty of,
44:53
you know, comments telling me that I
44:55
like slop because I liked this movie and
44:58
because I pointed out this morning on
45:02
Threads, which I told you Threads is a
45:04
negativity place. I didn't even think my
45:06
hot take was so hot. But I pointed out
45:09
that
45:11
this film is no more episodic than
45:15
Empire Strikes Back or Return of the
45:16
Jedi.
45:18
Both movies have several pieces that you
45:21
could break it down into a season of
45:23
television. The only difference is The
45:25
Mandalorian was a TV show first.
45:28
>> And so I think people who want to
45:31
dislike it are going to dislike it. like
45:34
people who are going in being like, "Oh,
45:36
this is just a, you know, a way to make
45:39
money off of a TV show because they
45:41
didn't want to do a season." That's
45:44
those people are, you're not going to
45:45
please them. I don't think that's not We
45:47
shouldn't try. You're
45:49
>> So, who do you think it is for then?
45:51
>> I think it's for the fans who want to
45:53
have fun with Star Wars. I think it's
45:56
for the fans who grew up loving Star
45:59
Wars, who maybe maybe they don't watch
46:02
the shows, maybe they do, but I think
46:04
it's for people who want to love Star
46:07
Wars, I should say. Not just the people
46:09
who love it, because a lot of people
46:11
proclaim to love Star Wars, but then
46:12
hate every single thing Star Wars does
46:15
outside of the original trilogy.
46:18
But I think it's for people who really
46:20
want to love Star Wars and who want to
46:23
engage with Star Wars and the world of
46:27
Star Wars. I also would add to that. I
46:28
think it's for people who don't know
46:30
anything about Star Wars and want an
46:32
entry point because uh one of my friends
46:35
took his son
46:37
>> and his son apparently had never been to
46:39
a Star Wars movie before and he loved
46:42
it. And I was like, what a great way to
46:45
be introduced to Star Wars is you go to
46:47
see this movie and and now you've been
46:49
opened up to this whole world of like I
46:52
don't actually know where you would go
46:53
next. maybe watching the show next or
46:56
something, but you could watch Mando
46:57
next. There's connections to the Clone
46:59
Wars you could go to next. There's
47:01
>> obviously a ton of movies that you could
47:03
choose from. And and I was like, what a
47:05
fun way to introduce a whole new
47:09
generation to Star Wars
47:11
>> is through a movie that kind of breaks
47:14
the mold. I mean, gets there's lots of
47:17
things that still make it very Star
47:18
Wars,
47:19
>> but like the music is different, the the
47:22
pacing is different. Like, it's a much
47:24
more modern movie.
47:27
>> In fact, one point I I had this feeling.
47:29
I was like, "Oh, you can totally tell
47:32
that the same guy who made Iron Man made
47:34
this movie cuz there was definitely
47:36
something happening." And I I can't
47:38
remember what that moment was now, but I
47:40
was like, "Oh, this this kind of feels a
47:43
little bit Iron Mananish, which I think
47:45
is a great, you know, standalone and
47:47
entry point movie for the MCU." And um
47:51
but I'm I'm curious to see like what in
47:54
however many years when you get this
47:57
whole new generation of Star Wars fans
48:00
that that get introduced through, you
48:01
know, this or Skeleton Crew, which also
48:04
is a great score. and um and some of
48:08
these uh you know andor even um it'll be
48:12
interesting to see what their takes are
48:16
5 10 15 20 years down the line cuz I can
48:20
remember when prequels came out and I'm
48:23
sure you do too like the
48:26
we walked into it having grown up with
48:28
the original series and there was
48:31
definitely I remember walking out of the
48:33
Phantom Menace not knowing what I'd just
48:35
seen
48:36
And there were epic moments. The music
48:38
was fanta. Like I liked it, but I also
48:41
was completely confused and and
48:45
because it didn't fit the paradigm of
48:48
like, oh, this is the Star Wars I know
48:50
and love and I've seen, you know, a
48:52
million times all three movies cuz
48:54
that's all we could see.
48:56
But um but it'll be interesting because
48:59
as the world grows and as we get more
49:01
Star Wars and more entry points and more
49:05
fans presumably like what is that take
49:09
going to be and then what are their
49:11
takes going to be on
49:13
the sequels prequels the movie you know
49:16
like whatever
49:17
>> if I had Disney's ear what I would want
49:20
to see is entry points that don't have
49:24
to do with the Skywalker saga.
49:26
I want to get fans built up who love the
49:30
world of Star
49:31
>> the universe. Yeah.
49:32
>> Yeah. Like I want that universe
49:35
>> built out. I want to
49:39
>> like I the thing I always joke about
49:41
with Batu is I I hated how it's such a a
49:46
limited framework of time in this
49:49
universe. Like when I when I first
49:52
envisioned it, I was like, "Oh, outer
49:54
the outer rim. This is going to like be
49:57
a place of Star Wars universe where
50:01
people know about things that happen
50:03
within the Star Wars universe, but it
50:05
was completely its own thing." And I
50:07
wish they had almost done that and then
50:09
built movies and shows around that so
50:14
that people didn't like if if Jedi
50:17
aren't your vibe. You know, if you don't
50:19
want to watch people fighting with laser
50:21
swords for nine movies,
50:24
>> you could enter in with the Mandalorian
50:26
and have a western noir. You could watch
50:30
X other show and have this other thing.
50:33
And I think that is what they should be
50:35
focusing on. like oneshots. Like in the
50:37
comic world, we call it a oneshot.
50:39
>> Yeah.
50:39
>> Where it's a single story in a single
50:41
book.
50:42
>> I would love to see Disney start doing
50:44
movies where it's just one movie in the
50:47
Star Wars universe.
50:49
>> Maybe it's a character, maybe it's a an
50:51
event.
50:53
>> And maybe that's what Starf Fighter will
50:54
be. Um, and I think I think my my bold
50:58
prediction here is I would not be
51:01
surprised at all is when Starf Fighter
51:02
comes out next year, we get a character
51:05
in Star Wars Galaxy's Edge cuz that is
51:07
at least at Disneyland. I don't know
51:09
about Walt Disney World, but um I'm also
51:11
going to make the the bet that at some
51:14
point Walt Disney World Star Wars
51:15
Galaxy's Edge gets expanded just like it
51:18
is here. And and that's controversial on
51:20
its own, but it's it's so funny to me
51:23
because uh I feel like first people
51:26
weren't happy that they picked the
51:28
sequel trilogy for the time with which
51:31
in Star Wars Galaxy's Edge was going to
51:33
live and then when they went to change
51:34
it, we're like, "Oh, no, you can't do
51:36
that either."
51:38
>> Yeah. I wanted I I personally just
51:40
wanted it to be timeless.
51:42
>> Yeah. And which they are now basically
51:44
>> that you could have both like you could
51:46
have like in the mornings maybe you know
51:49
set
51:51
of characters neighborhoods where you've
51:53
got you know you got Han Lu Han Leia and
51:56
Luke over by the Falcon you've got Darth
51:58
Vader and the Stormtroopers by the TIE
52:01
fighter and you've got uh uh Mando and
52:04
Grou and Ahsoka kind of in the market
52:07
and and Ry shows up sometimes there too
52:10
and so it's it's more
52:13
there there's different eras that have
52:15
different parts of the land now and I
52:17
think that's a much more effective way
52:19
just from an entry level standpoint too
52:21
is anybody of any level of fandom of any
52:25
age
52:26
>> is probably going to find a fan a
52:28
character that they know and they love
52:30
and and they're going to get to have
52:31
that magical moment even if it's R2-D2
52:34
or Chewbacca like they're out there too
52:36
and
52:37
>> and they're bring back
52:40
>> still in Florida and she showed up on
52:43
May the 4th. So I um she's
52:46
>> Where's my V Marotti show? Where's my V
52:49
Marotti movie?
52:52
Like they have the opportunity for a
52:55
cool spy movie with V Marotti. Like a
52:58
spy movie, y'all.
53:00
>> Make a good pitch.
53:02
>> I need this. I need this. I
53:04
>> the pitch.
53:05
>> I think good stories always sell. Um, so
53:09
yeah, I think I think this is a movie
53:11
that that probably most people are just
53:13
going to enjoy, whatever level it is,
53:15
circling back to who this is for. And
53:18
>> I think they should start with if you're
53:19
going to watch this first, I think then
53:21
you have to go to the original trilogy
53:23
before the show even because the show
53:25
does rely on you knowing who Luke
53:27
Skywalker is.
53:29
>> True.
53:29
>> Because that reveal, if you don't know
53:31
who Luke Skywalker is, that reveal means
53:33
nothing. And to add to what you're
53:36
saying is this show is taking place
53:39
because of the event like there
53:42
>> it's continuing because of the events of
53:44
what the rebellion fought for. And so I
53:46
think I think that is a good call. Like
53:48
and I always am a fan of starting with
53:50
the original series and going with
53:51
release order just because I think if
53:53
you start with the prequels it ruins the
53:55
Darth Vader reveal in Empire Strikes
53:58
Back. Um there we go. We we've fixed the
54:01
Star Wars universe.
54:02
Um, so uh what did you think of let's
54:06
let's think uh constructive critiques.
54:10
What would you have done or nothing at
54:12
all? What do you think of like the
54:15
pacing in the narrative? Would you have
54:16
changed anything with that? We'll just
54:18
kind of work through things and see.
54:20
>> I liked the pacing
54:21
>> if we would have changed things.
54:23
>> I wish that
54:26
Sigourney Weaver's character had a
54:28
little bit more in the story.
54:31
Mhm.
54:33
>> But like I wish like the deli base
54:35
itself had had more in the story. Like
54:37
there needed to be like a middle section
54:39
in the middle of the film. Like in the
54:41
second act, there needed to be something
54:42
to remind us that they were still kind
54:44
of hanging out more than there was.
54:46
>> Even if it's a quick 30se secondond like
54:49
where'd they go? You know, like you know
54:50
what? And and maybe it wasn't necessary,
54:52
but also it it would just be nice.
54:55
>> It would still tie the movie together a
54:57
little bit better.
54:58
>> I can give it that. Yeah. It it just
55:00
needed that little bit of throughine. I
55:02
mean, I gave this movie four and a half
55:04
out of five stars. Like, this was a
55:06
pretty perfect movie for me. Like,
55:10
>> so I don't have a ton of critique. That
55:12
That's probably it. I just wanted more
55:14
Sigourney Weaver, maybe a little bit
55:16
more Grou.
55:19
>> Uh, and you like the pacing through the
55:21
whole thing?
55:21
>> Yeah, I was I felt pretty satisfied with
55:24
they didn't linger on anything that I
55:27
thought really too long. Like I think
55:29
things the things that I wanted was
55:32
generally in scenes was more of
55:34
something not less of something.
55:36
>> Okay. But on the flip side, I'm glad
55:38
that we had less because it made the
55:40
movie shorter.
55:41
>> Agreed. Agreed. And the pacing did not
55:44
it again it did not ever linger on any
55:47
one thing too long. And so that's I
55:50
would rather have a little bit less
55:52
character I like
55:54
than something overstaying its welcome.
55:57
I completely agree with you. Um, what do
55:59
you think of character development? Did
56:01
they nail that? Was there anything you
56:03
think they could have done better?
56:05
>> I mean, I I don't think that anything
56:07
that they did was flawed. It personal
56:10
preferences. I would have loved more. I
56:12
would have loved to see more. But again,
56:14
it's that I agree that cutting back made
56:17
the movie
56:19
>> pacing better,
56:20
>> but I would love to see more Rada
56:22
somewhere
56:24
in the future like maybe a you know a TV
56:27
show where he gets to be or maybe even I
56:30
I still think a job of the like you know
56:32
you know they did Kruella they like to
56:34
do villain stuff. A Joba the Hut TV
56:37
series or movie.
56:39
>> Hold on though. Hear me out. where we
56:41
get the development of all of the huts
56:44
because Sci Snoodles has a really
56:46
interesting way. She started working for
56:48
Jabba because she wanted to kill a
56:51
different hut because she was actually a
56:52
spy and then you have the twins. Like
56:55
there's so much cool mafiaesque
56:59
Martin
56:59
>> Squed
57:02
>> as long as it stayed that way I'd be
57:04
okay with it. I don't want to make it
57:06
into a well actually Jaba was the
57:09
victim. Yeah. Like I don't like it when
57:11
they
57:11
>> Absolutely not. No, no, no, no. I want
57:13
to I want
57:14
>> That's my problem with Maleficent. I
57:15
don't want a Maleficent. Like Kella is
57:18
better. Um but No, I agree.
57:20
>> Yeah, I I I could go I could go for
57:22
that. Um it's interesting cuz like as
57:25
I'm thinking about the characters I want
57:28
more of,
57:29
>> a lot of it had to do with Sigourney
57:32
Weavers. I wanted more of her. I wanted
57:34
more development from her. And then I'm
57:36
like, "Oh, we almost I feel like kind of
57:39
did get that movie because remember
57:40
there was the one that was um
57:43
>> wasn't that Patty Jenkins was gonna do
57:45
it?"
57:45
>> Yes. The What? Do you remember the name
57:47
of it?
57:48
>> Like I
57:49
>> wasn't like X squad or something like
57:52
something squad.
57:53
>> Yeah. And don't you think you could have
57:55
taken the base and literally built that
57:57
movie out and then you have the
57:59
>> fact that movie got cancelled kills me
58:01
on so many levels. Patty Jenkins would
58:04
have nailed that movie. I think I think
58:08
that could have been a good entry point
58:11
for people who maybe don't like laser
58:13
swords and you know and I say this
58:16
loving lightsabers as someone who
58:18
desperately wants to still go build a
58:20
lightsaber. But like that's the thing,
58:22
people don't necessarily want that kind
58:24
of movie. But if Star Wars can give them
58:27
a branch out
58:28
>> war, like Rogue One is a war movie,
58:30
that's a great entry point for someone
58:32
who maybe isn't a sci-fi fan.
58:35
>> Well, that would have
58:37
>> I would have liked to seen more of was
58:39
it Colonel Ward? Was that her name? Um,
58:42
>> I would have liked to seen more of that
58:44
backstory because clearly there's a
58:46
political element in her role. Clearly
58:48
there's a holding cards close to the
58:51
vest, not giving all the information. I
58:53
would like to see and then obviously she
58:55
has a rebellion backstory. I'm like I
58:57
want to know more about those things and
58:59
I think that would be fun and maybe
59:00
it'll be in a novelization or something
59:01
at some point but
59:03
>> I suspect that's what we're Delilah S.
59:05
Dawson should do that novelization.
59:07
>> There you go. Um was there any could
59:10
have been better moments that that you
59:13
think
59:17
>> like I don't know that I have anything
59:19
massively that I was like oh I wish
59:21
they'd done that completely different.
59:22
Like I just don't I I thought they
59:24
>> It was an enjoyable film.
59:26
>> Good.
59:26
>> It's so good.
59:28
>> Good to hear cuz we are at the part
59:30
we're going to wrap this up and give it
59:32
a rating. Um
59:34
>> I think we did just you know that is it.
59:37
It's so good all of this. Um did you
59:39
think what would you say the the format
59:42
for the screen? Did you think it made a
59:44
huge difference? I know you said this in
59:45
your review, but
59:47
>> No, I I think 3D was fine. It made like
59:51
the cockpit scenes look kind of cool.
59:54
>> Okay.
59:55
>> But
59:55
>> Okay.
59:56
>> But it's very clear that this was not
59:58
shot for 3D. Like even the scene when
1:00:01
they're on the Hothlike planet when you
1:00:03
know they're on the AT-ST looking and I
1:00:06
don't think it's an ATST. I think it's a
1:00:07
different one. But
1:00:08
>> the little walker thing. Yeah.
1:00:10
>> Yeah. But when they're even like on when
1:00:12
he's on that and he's like traversing
1:00:14
and going down and up that even doesn't
1:00:17
look that great in 3D like cuz it's
1:00:18
never there's never that like firsterson
1:00:20
view.
1:00:21
>> Yeah.
1:00:22
>> So I I don't think you need to spend the
1:00:24
money on 3D. Like it's it's not bad. It
1:00:27
doesn't ruin like you know how some
1:00:29
movies where the 3D just kind of
1:00:30
detracts.
1:00:32
>> This doesn't do that. It's just it just
1:00:35
doesn't add either.
1:00:36
>> It's just not worth the extra few
1:00:37
dollars. Okay. Like
1:00:39
>> Okay. Good to know. Um, all right. So,
1:00:42
for this podcast, because it is Dap's
1:00:44
Magic, Disney, and positive stuff, we go
1:00:46
by the Mr. Daps hat rating scale. So, DC
1:00:49
Sarah, does it get no hat, which means
1:00:52
it didn't meet expectations. A hat not,
1:00:55
which it's okay. Hat tip, it was good.
1:00:59
Or is it hats off, loved it?
1:01:02
>> Hats off, loved it.
1:01:03
>> Mhm. I agree. Hats off.
1:01:05
>> Hats off.
1:01:05
>> Fantastic job. Cast, crew, all the
1:01:07
above. Really great. But I think we have
1:01:10
done it. We have reviewed The
1:01:12
Mandalorian and Grou on our first movie
1:01:15
review on Daps Magic, Disney, and
1:01:17
Positive Stuff. If you liked it, let us
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know in the comments. And we will do
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more in the future because we do have
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>> Toy Story 5 or something coming up, I
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guess, soon. And uh let us know what you
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thought of The Mandalorian and Grou as
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well, what things we might have missed.
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As always, keep it kind, keep it civil,
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keep it you can have critical thinking
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without being cruel. Um, be nice.
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>> Do all those things. Yes, be nice. Uh,
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find us on social media. Where can they
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find you, DC?
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>> I am basically everywhere. Uh, as Sarah
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Stubs says, also DC Sarah do
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>> wherever you want.
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>> Sky.social. I'm trying to think of it's
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such a long name. Sarah Stub says
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basically gets you everywhere because I
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share everything from every outlet that
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I write for there. So, yeah. Sarah Stubs
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says across the board and that's that's
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the easiest way to find me.
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>> Super easy to find on Instagram. I know
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that one for for top of my head. So
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hopefully that can send you to
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everywhere else. And then uh you can
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always find me at Mr. Daps basically
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everywhere as well. And all of our stuff
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that we do together ends up on
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subscribed over there and are having a
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blast with us. And also check out
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DapsHQ. We're having fun over there as
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well at dapshq.com.
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But that is what we've got for you this
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week. Thanks for geeking out about Star
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Wars with us. Hopefully you've enjoyed
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it. But make it a great week everybody.
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Keep kind and we'll see you in the
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parts.

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